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Такая вот более-менее радужная картинка взможна, однако, только при отсутствии параллельных завязок по [Лилит] . Когда есть [Лилит] - там уже не до радости... Или бывает иначе?

вот не поверите, но бывает.

в 8 в 10 в

Всё это в квадрате к моим Узлам на оси 4-10

я в таких отношениях 10 лет и не чувствую, чтоб у нас при совместной жизни начался безрадостный период. Жизнь изменилась всяко в лучшую сторону.

  

л.шмидт

Я говорила исключительно о соединениях, причем партильных, когда есть обоюдное включение личных планет, узлов и "в комплекте", так сказать.

По нижнему узлу может зацепить планету партнера и он нам будет "служить"

Перечитала тему, задумалась вот над этими словами Light сейчас и таки есть в этом что-то истинное...

  

Ок, приведу тогда еще пример из жизни (раз предыдущий не подходит )

Недавно познакомилась с одним МЧ, с которым сейчас что-то завязывается.. на моей оси узлов его оппозиция: (ж) (м) и (ж) (м).

И что самое удивительное - на его оси узлов моя: (м) (ж) и (м) + (ж)

Только недавно думала, что имеет ввиду Хирон в этом случае... Получается, что мы должны "обменяться опытом"? По содержанию пока ничего не могу сказать - еще немного времени прошло..

  

Important note about the Nodes in synastry:

If person A"s planet (especially a personal planet) conjuncts B"s South Node, the connection is there, no doubt. Person A will feel extremely comfortable with person B, at first. However, person A will eventually feel that the relationship drains him/her of energy, and may feel the need to move on and release him/herself from the relationship, as the relationship pulls him/her into the past. We all face our North Node issues at some point in our lives (we often start the process in our 30"s!). If another person is emphasizing our South Node without equal or greater aspects to our North Node, we may feel held back and "outgrow" that person!

Also note that there can be some uneasiness and hesitance when the Nodes, especially North Nodes, are strongly contacted by the planets and points of another person. The magnetism can be strong (and it isn"t necessarily sexual, occurring in platonic friendships and relationships as well), but a certain amount of fear can be present (on the part of the Node person).

One way of looking at Nodal contacts in synastry: A person"s planet conjunct your North Node is pulling you forward, toward lessons that you need in order for spiritual growth and happiness. But you may be somewhat reluctant to face these issues, depending on "where you"re at" in the path. A person"s planet conjunct your South Node is pulling you back into familiar territory. There is something "easy" about the relationship, and the lure can be strong, although you may eventually sense that you need something more, which can be viewed as "outgrowing" the relationship or even the person.

Saturn conjunct the Nodes can be a separative aspect. I am not as yet certain of exactly why this is the case, but I have seen it time and time again where Saturn conjunct the North or South Node in a composite chart or in synastry is present in romantic relationships that don"t get off the ground properly.

http://www.cafeastrology.com/articles/relations...esinsynastry

Много интересного есть еще здесь: http://thezodiac.com/soulmates2.htm

  

Итак, кто кому должен. Мнения разделились 3:1.

Должен человек планеты.

Sun conjunct SN:

indicates a karmic duty from a previous life, which makes this relationship a difficult one, although the attraction is huge. The Sun can pay his/her duty accordingly to the house it rules. This relationship could be frustrating for the Sun.

SN Conj Sun:

The SN person holds the knife"s handle, is the one with the power who magnetically draws the other...is getting the payback of the karmic debt from the planet person. Conjunctions of the Ascendant, luminaries or personal planets to either Node, but especially the South, are the most powerfully tying synastric contacts.

SN Conj Venus:

Keep it simple: planet owes the South Node person. If it"s not a planet and the Nodes fall on an axis, therefore having something on the NN and something on the SN, it is not about a debt, but it is karmic.

I"ve had the Venus-SN aspect with someone. I was the South Node. We didn"t have Node-axis contacts, nor other planets on the NN; just South Node conjunctions - karma from the past that needed to be sorted out and when it did, the relationship ended, because it belonged in the past. Venus owes the SN person; the SN person is the one more likely to make the first move FOR the relationship and also OUT of it. It is the aspect of past life lovers. In my case, we didn"t have other aspects that would indicate a future, something that would pull us further once the debt was paid - but you two have this. http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014683.html

Oтдает человек .

Your SN CONJ Partner"s Sun:

"The Sun person was likely an authority figure in another lifetime, possibly your father or a dominant parent. You owe this person something and must repay the karmic debt. There"s a strong feeling of obligation. Bepatient and happy to serve in any way you can. With this conjunction, you could be financially supportive of your partner."

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum10/HTML/002849-2.html

  

Спасибо за интересную тему.

Напишу о собственном опыте.

С бывшим мужем мой его - да, он эксплуатировал мой марс. Расстались по моей инициативе.

Были короткие отношения моя с его Чувствовала влечение к абсолютно несимпатичному мне человеку, волевым усилием все прекратила.

Сейчас напишу об отношениях, которые действительно считаю кармическими в смысле человек из прошлых жизней. Длинно получится, но я хочу, чтобы вы сами оценили,насколько они кармические.Эти отношения я предчуствовала за несколько лет до их начала, примерно за год до встречи он начал мне сниться. Встреча произошла благодаря моему бывшему коллеге по работе, который вдруг, через полгода после увольнения стал мне звонить и приглашать в гости - по дружески (он женат) и очень настойчиво. Однажды я не смогла отвертеться, пришла на день рождения. Вот там мы и встретились. Я его сразу узнала. Было собственной древности и глубины своей души, как будто пришли в движение какие-то глубинные пласты. И вот это ощущение, что мы древние и мудрые, как будто очень старые и даже за пределами старости (очень трудно описать) сохранялось пока были отношения. Они начались сразу же и были очень болезненными при взаимных чувствах и стремлении друг к другу, и желании не причинять друг другу боль. А она все равно возникала по самым смехотворным поводам. Однажды из-за сильных переживаний у него на теле появились большие красные пятна, которые держались несколько месяцев. Абсолютная несовместимость. Что нас держало вместе 5 лет в совершенно жуткой синастрии - гармоничных аспектов для этого явно недостаточно, эти аспекты позволяли мне чувствовать его эмоции почти как свои и давали короткие периоды гармонии, да и иллюзий мы не питали, обоим уже около 30 было - или достаточно? Или все же отношения не кармические? Расстались, потому что вдруг нас "отпустило". Сразу поняли, что у каждого своя дорога и еще примерно год друг друга любили на расстоянии и безболезненно (я чувствовала его любовь). Нету в синастрии кармических аспектов кроме его с моей селеной с орбом 3гр. Или считать кармическими аспекты

мои его и моя его ?

В теперешних отношениях все наоборот - очень гармоничная синастрия и сильные завязки по в т.ч. моя с его . Такая вот ирония судьбы.

  

From Pierre Lassalle – “Astrologie et relations humaines”

*Nodes in the same element (conjunction or trine) : the two people have the same karmic goal, which facilitates their understanding, because they have similar evolutionary paths.

*Nodes in complementary elements (sextile or opposition): these two people can get along and they can help each other evolve. This is especially true for the opposition.

*Nodes in incompatible elements or squared to each other: these two people have different life paths, which can make their relationship a delicate one. They can block each other and this can lead to a lot of frustration.

-Conjunctions to the South Node indicate mutual past life experiences. The planet is the one who owes the SN person and can dissolve the karma according to the nature of the planet and the house it rules.

-Conjunctions to the North Node mean common experiences that these two people must share in this lifetime. This is a positive karmic encounter or perhaps a first (important) meeting between the two. Generally, it is an indication for a relationship that will be continued in the next life.

-Sextiles and trines to the Nodes help the North Node person evolve.

-Squares to the Nodes push the Node person reconsider him/herself through the nature of the planet. The Node person must use the wisdom of the past (SN) to discover and understand the lesson the planet person is trying to teach, so that he can better his/her present and future (NN). Sometimes, this aspect is frustrating.

~Sun conjunct NN: it favors the mutual spiritual evolution. Strong attraction and mutual trust. Each one helps the other evolve. It indicates an excellent bond in this life and the next one.

~Sun conjunct SN: indicates a karmic duty from a previous life, which makes this relationship a difficult one, although the attraction is huge. The Sun can pay his/her duty accordingly to the house it rules. This relationship could be frustrating for the Sun.

~Moon conjunct NN: strong attraction and a possibility for union. The two stimulate each other’s emotions and create positive connections for their future lives together.

~Moon conjunct SN: previous familial or marital karmic ties who have been difficult on an emotional or daily basis. The Moon has a karmic duty towards the SN and he/she can pay it according to the house it rules.

Mercury conjunct NN: good intellectual understanding and common interests. These two people get along very well and can help each other in the areas ruled by Gemini and the house the NN is.

~Mercury conjunct SN: the South Node person must teach Mercury. Sometimes, they continue a previous student/teacher relationship from another lifetime. Mercury feels compelled to serve SN because of a duty he/she has from the past, which is indicated by the house it rules. Sometimes, this aspect can indicate a former relationship between siblings.

~Venus conjunct NN: favors union. Physical and sentimental attraction. Sincere affection and mutual trust. These people give a lot to each other and they harmonize very well. The activities they will share together are indicated by the house Venus rules and the one containing the NN in the other person’s chart. This aspect could also mean the possibility for union in a future life.

~Venus conjunct SN: this aspect is very indicative for a past life relationship that didn’t go very well. Venus has a karmic duty towards the SN. Even if they get together in this lifetime, the relationship will not last, because it belongs in the past. Venus will seduce the SN person and also pay his/her duty according to the house it rules.

~Mars conjunct the NN: very stimulating and attractive. Mars can help the NN to reach his/her goal. There is an amazing exchange of energy and a lot of passion between them. Mars will help NN to become more active, in the area ruled by Mars and the house NN is in.

~Mars conjunct SN: this can mean a very passionate relationship, filled with rivality and competition. Mars has a duty to the SN person, possibly made through violence. This aspect can indicate a past relationship between brothers, sportsmen, warriors or enemies. It is an aggressive aspect and it can be dissolved through the houses Mars rules.

~Jupiter conjunct NN: favorable exchanges and great mutual tolerance. The two people help each other grow, especially spiritually. It indicates trust, guidance, hopes realized together and protection. The two of them have similar ideals and spiritual beliefs. They will meet again in the future, to follow a common path.

~Jupiter conjunct SN: Jupiter will guide the SN so that he/she can become more assertive. Jupiter might bring favorable occasions for the SN’s growth, according to the house it rules, and in this way dissolves the karmic duty. Jupiter might have done an injustice to the SN person.

~Saturn conjunct NN: Saturn must teach the NN person the sense of duty, patience and responsibility. This aspect favors professional relationships. NN can help Saturn realize his/her ambitions, while Saturn can bring safety and a slow development (but stable) to the relationship – all according to the houses they are in or rule.

~Saturn conjunct SN: it might be that the South Node person asks too much of Saturn and they end up blocking each other. This is a frustrating aspect, but it can work favorably if the Saturn person is the guide or adviser of the SN. These two people have many lessons to teach each other about their past lives together and, more than anything, they should not limit each other in any way. The house Saturn rules will show how he/she can help SN.

~AS conjunct NN: NN can guide AS on his/her path and can show him/her the right way. Sometimes, they walk on the same road. They will influence each other and exchange energy according to the house NN is in.

~AS conjunct SN: great compatibility (DC conjuncts NN) and the SN has the tendency to push the AS forward. The Ascendant person will give much more than he/she receives because he has a duty to the SN. The SN can limit or frustrate the Asc.

~MC conjunct NN: very strong familial tie, which results from a previous lifetime (IC conjunct SN). Generally, they can help each other professionally, but you need to look at the house NN is in.

~MC conjunct SN: social karmic tie. MC will help the SN person make stable contacts in this lifetime. Check the sign and house of the SN.

~Chiron conjunct NN: the two of them have the same spiritual path and they help each other develop their talents and creativity. Chiron can guide the NN person.

~Chiron conjunct SN: previous student/teacher. Chiron desires to teach, heal and give to the SN person and will do it in an original way. They share a common spiritual path that they started in a previous life.

~Lilith conjunct NN: NN can help Lilith to feel, acknowledge and heal his/her deepest wound. The North Node person already learned this lesson about Lilith’s wound and can teach it to him/her. Lilith must be willing to reopen the wound if he/she wants to be free from it.

~Lilith conjunct SN: this confirms karmic encounters. Lilith just paid his/her duty to the SN person from a previous life. The attraction is very strong, but also explosive and, most of the times, emotionally painful.

~Juno conjunct NN: possible union. Juno can help NN evolve (through marriage or legal contracts).

~Juno conjunct SN: indicates a marriage from a past life that didn’t evolve very well, leaving its scars on the two people. Juno has the karmic duty and can dissolve it by being more tolerant and more flexible, according to the house it is in.

http://www.linda-goodman.com/ubb/Forum1/HTML/014683.html

  

Черника

Спасибо за примеры и истории, очень познавательно. Ваши нынешние отношения безусловно кармические. Насчет предыдущих можете почитать трактовки, что я сейчас выложила. И по поводу Марса Вы правильно отметили - отдавали Вы, т.е. человек планеты. А те непонятные "нептунианские" отношения наверняка были навеяны как раз вашими аспектами к Нептуну и какими-то транзитами или прогрессиями (бывает и такой феномен, когда прогрессивная личная планета становится в градус натального Солнца или Венеры партнера и этого достаточно, чтоб ощутить себя влюбленным...на время действия данного аспекта). Просто нет сил еще что-то Вам написать, спать хочется, простите.))

  

ВЫВОД: В отношениях с , отдает или отрабатывает свой долг человек планеты.

Я считаю свою миссию выполненной, потому тему покидаю и надеюсь, что она еще послужит делу астрологии, а кому-то, возможно, поможет лучшше понять свои отношения с партнерами.

P.S. Prin, Вы были правы, выбивая табуретку.)))

  

А почему тогда он мне снился заранее? Да и влюбленности не было, были отношения двух стариков, которые возятся с душевными болячками друг друга. Нептун, кстати, мой был.

Рада, что нынешние отношения кармические, уж больно они хороши ТТТ